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		<title>By: Kim Rom</title>
		<link>http://ambernight.org/2006/03/30/kim-rom-2-monkey-with-a-typewriter/#comment-103</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Rom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Amber,
I simply had to comment on some of the stuff you wrote, at least to clarify a bit.
&lt;blockquote&gt;"Childish"?  "Funny."?  How about weaselly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yeah, that works.
&lt;blockquote&gt;So make up your fucking mind Kim.  Was it all just a big joke, or do you really believe 99 in 100 female gamers are lazy camera whores?  Oh, and thanks for clarifying the numbers.  For a second there I thought you were making sweeping generalizations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#38;#39;t say it&#38;#39;s a joke anywhere, sorry. Could you please point me to that sentence, because I just can&#38;#39;t find it. I stand by the 99%. You got the "of all female gamers" part wrong. I am talking about eSport, competitive gaming. A "sport" that is heavy on hero-worship and idols, where you make a name and where you get a lot of attention very easy. I am not talking about Xbox Live, MMO&#38;#39;s or anything else. Just eSport.
You might not like the numbers, but that is what I have witnessed. I don&#38;#39;t like them either btw, incase you also missed that.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Moving right along, Kim realizes at about this point that he really has no defense, states that he doesn&#38;#39;t really "give a fuck," what anyone thinks, (why write the rebuttal then Kim?) and then proceeds to whine about how one blogger called him an "asshat."&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Sorry Amber, you again completely missed the point. I was commenting on a poster that wanted me mention names of the woman I was directing my remarks against. I&#38;#39;m ignoring the whole asshat part. With this in mind, please read the reply again.
Furthermore - I even explained why I wrote it, and gave you and everyone else examples of other similar stuff. If you want to copy/paste, why not include the parts that actually answers you own questions?
&lt;blockquote&gt;So if I understand correctly, you can call female gamers inferior camera whores, and--pshaw!--that&#38;#39;s just your journalistic right.  But call you an asshat, and why sir that is just unsporting.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You dont understand correctly, so that pretty much answers the rest of the question? I am talking about eSport, competitive gaming, and specifically Counter-Strike teams. Look at the categories in my first post, if you missed that part. For the record anyone can call me an asshat, or use the equally flattering expressions you use in this post, it really doesn&#38;#39;t get to me. Altho I do believe dialogue is more productive if you don&#38;#39;t. ;-)
&lt;blockquote&gt;Here&#38;#39;s a little lesson in debate Kim: Arguments are corroborated by facts, not the other way around.  This does not in any way prove your original thesis that "female gamers...lack the dedication and the drive to fulfill those ambitions."  Or was that the joke?  And if that was the joke, then, again, why the rebuttal?  Can you understand why someone would call you an asshat? (that&#38;#39;s rhetorical, of course you can&#38;#39;t)
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Again, no joke. I stand by everything I said, altho I do admit (as I posted) that it came off both sexist and childish). And I will, once again, point out that I am speaking about eSport - where any woman has yet to reach a top placement in a unisex competition. That is a fact, sorry about that.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Kim, in his own twisted way, takes a stand against corporate sponsored female gaming teams, and yet it&#38;#39;s his mentality that has lead to their creation and popularity.  It&#38;#39;s people like Kim Rom that think women only want to play social games, or anything that doesn&#38;#39;t require manual dexterity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No, I am all for corporate sponsorships. Of both female and male teams, I just want sponsorships based on skill and dedication. I don&#38;#39;t want them to based on cleavage.
I don&#38;#39;t want women to play social games either, I want them to play whatever they have fun playing. It&#38;#39;s the attention-whores I could do without. Why do you take so much offense at that?
&lt;blockquote&gt;how the fuck did you ever manage to land a job as an editor? &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Beats me. The really scary part is that all the sites I have run, have been number one in their areas in terms of visitors and user-interactivity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Amber,<br />
I simply had to comment on some of the stuff you wrote, at least to clarify a bit.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Childish&#8221;?  &#8220;Funny.&#8221;?  How about weaselly.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, that works.</p>
<blockquote><p>So make up your fucking mind Kim.  Was it all just a big joke, or do you really believe 99 in 100 female gamers are lazy camera whores?  Oh, and thanks for clarifying the numbers.  For a second there I thought you were making sweeping generalizations.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#38;#39;t say it&#38;#39;s a joke anywhere, sorry. Could you please point me to that sentence, because I just can&#38;#39;t find it. I stand by the 99%. You got the &#8220;of all female gamers&#8221; part wrong. I am talking about eSport, competitive gaming. A &#8220;sport&#8221; that is heavy on hero-worship and idols, where you make a name and where you get a lot of attention very easy. I am not talking about Xbox Live, MMO&#38;#39;s or anything else. Just eSport.<br />
You might not like the numbers, but that is what I have witnessed. I don&#38;#39;t like them either btw, incase you also missed that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Moving right along, Kim realizes at about this point that he really has no defense, states that he doesn&#38;#39;t really &#8220;give a fuck,&#8221; what anyone thinks, (why write the rebuttal then Kim?) and then proceeds to whine about how one blogger called him an &#8220;asshat.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Sorry Amber, you again completely missed the point. I was commenting on a poster that wanted me mention names of the woman I was directing my remarks against. I&#38;#39;m ignoring the whole asshat part. With this in mind, please read the reply again.<br />
Furthermore - I even explained why I wrote it, and gave you and everyone else examples of other similar stuff. If you want to copy/paste, why not include the parts that actually answers you own questions?</p>
<blockquote><p>So if I understand correctly, you can call female gamers inferior camera whores, and&#8211;pshaw!&#8211;that&#38;#39;s just your journalistic right.  But call you an asshat, and why sir that is just unsporting.</p></blockquote>
<p>You dont understand correctly, so that pretty much answers the rest of the question? I am talking about eSport, competitive gaming, and specifically Counter-Strike teams. Look at the categories in my first post, if you missed that part. For the record anyone can call me an asshat, or use the equally flattering expressions you use in this post, it really doesn&#38;#39;t get to me. Altho I do believe dialogue is more productive if you don&#38;#39;t. <img src='http://ambernight.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<blockquote>Here&#38;#39;s a little lesson in debate Kim: Arguments are corroborated by facts, not the other way around.  This does not in any way prove your original thesis that &#8220;female gamers&#8230;lack the dedication and the drive to fulfill those ambitions.&#8221;  Or was that the joke?  And if that was the joke, then, again, why the rebuttal?  Can you understand why someone would call you an asshat? (that&#38;#39;s rhetorical, of course you can&#38;#39;t)
</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, no joke. I stand by everything I said, altho I do admit (as I posted) that it came off both sexist and childish). And I will, once again, point out that I am speaking about eSport - where any woman has yet to reach a top placement in a unisex competition. That is a fact, sorry about that.</p>
<blockquote><p>Kim, in his own twisted way, takes a stand against corporate sponsored female gaming teams, and yet it&#38;#39;s his mentality that has lead to their creation and popularity.  It&#38;#39;s people like Kim Rom that think women only want to play social games, or anything that doesn&#38;#39;t require manual dexterity.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I am all for corporate sponsorships. Of both female and male teams, I just want sponsorships based on skill and dedication. I don&#38;#39;t want them to based on cleavage.<br />
I don&#38;#39;t want women to play social games either, I want them to play whatever they have fun playing. It&#38;#39;s the attention-whores I could do without. Why do you take so much offense at that?</p>
<blockquote><p>how the fuck did you ever manage to land a job as an editor? </p></blockquote>
<p>Beats me. The really scary part is that all the sites I have run, have been number one in their areas in terms of visitors and user-interactivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://ambernight.org/2006/03/30/kim-rom-2-monkey-with-a-typewriter/#comment-102</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Mar 2006 09:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#38;#39;t lose faith.  There are a lot of people like Kim in the industry now but their population will quickly dwindle as the industry moves forward.  Call me an optimist, but as our industry grows, the old ways of thinking will either be naturally selected to extinction or find a small swampy niche to occupy.
I do have bad news for you though.  This process is not going to happen because of the reasons we want it to, that is, because it is the intelligent and morally sound way to grow an industry.  This is going to happen because there is a lot more money beyond the 18-35 male market.  The market is incredibly intolerant of narrow-mindedness when opportunities are available.
This industry is reaching a turning point, just hang on a little longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#38;#39;t lose faith.  There are a lot of people like Kim in the industry now but their population will quickly dwindle as the industry moves forward.  Call me an optimist, but as our industry grows, the old ways of thinking will either be naturally selected to extinction or find a small swampy niche to occupy.<br />
I do have bad news for you though.  This process is not going to happen because of the reasons we want it to, that is, because it is the intelligent and morally sound way to grow an industry.  This is going to happen because there is a lot more money beyond the 18-35 male market.  The market is incredibly intolerant of narrow-mindedness when opportunities are available.<br />
This industry is reaching a turning point, just hang on a little longer.</p>
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		<title>By: benro</title>
		<link>http://ambernight.org/2006/03/30/kim-rom-2-monkey-with-a-typewriter/#comment-101</link>
		<dc:creator>benro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Never&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; underestimate the dedication, drive, or ambition of a woman.  Whatever weaknesses they may have, these are not among them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b><i>Never</i></b> underestimate the dedication, drive, or ambition of a woman.  Whatever weaknesses they may have, these are not among them.</p>
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