I’m farther left of center than most these days, and I see very few people in Washington of either party who represent my views about how I think we in America should behave in the world and towards eachother here at home. I thought the war was a mistake in the first place, and that was when Colin Powell had me nearly convinced that Sadam Hussein had WMD and was consorting with Al’ Qeida. That neither charge turned out to be true just makes me believe the Administration are all liars and criminals rather than just fools. Having said that, we are there. We have boys on the ground who are doing their best for us under shitty conditions and under extremely poor leadership from the top. That boys song is nothing compared to all the other shit we’ve brought with us to that country. It doesn’t even hit the radar screen when compared with the lies and the arrogance and the complete incompetence that Administration in Washington have brought to the table. Just leave him the hell alone and make some noise about some real issues.

Ah, but this is where you are wrong. I have all the experience I need to know that a song about killing young girls is almost certainly not funny. (It may be possible, but that song wasn’t it.) My experiences, or lack thereof, of killing people or having people try to kill me do not affect that statement or my understanding of it. As I said, I did find much of the song amusing, even if the recording of it could do little but create more hurt feelings.

But, in the end, this experience argument is bullshit. You don’t have my experiences, either, but that doesn’t mean you do not have meaningful things to discuss dealing with topics of interest to me. Otherwise I could invalidate most arguments I ever get into by stating, “You do not have as much writing and literature experience as I have, therefore you are unsuited to use the same words I do.”

Just for reference,

I have a great reference, thanks.

Main Entry: marine
Function: noun

2 : one of a class of soldiers serving on shipboard or in close association with a naval force; specifically : a member of the U.S. Marine Corps

In other words, “soldier” is also a generic term for people serving in the armed forces. That is the meaning which I used in my previous post. I didn’t use jargon because I was addressing a general audience.

Perhaps the dictionary doesn’t have sufficient experience to understand the meaning of words?

Charlie Manson was not ordered by our government to go kill people over in a foreign country, our military is.

Our military has been ordered over to Iraq to kill young children, as described in that song? Wow, the media really has been asleep at the wheel if those are the standing orders and so few people know it.

The unfortunate reality is that soldiers (or marines, even) who purposefully kill civilians are taking those actions on their own orders in most cases. And, they tarnish the reputation of the military forces protecting my country; the military that many of my family and friends served in, and that I actually would like to take some pride in.

You have every right to speak up; you just have no experience in the matter. You can have an opinion on the subject and find the video distasteful all you want. That’s not really something any of us can control, how we feel about something, I think that people take this stuff to seriously, but that’s on them.

People that have no clue about the jokes because they don’t have the experience. It’s the same as a child not getting adult humor; they have no experience in the area of the joke. I sure if Amber told me so weather joke, depending of how deep it goes, I would not understand it either because I don’t have the experience.

But as you said that you can’t get behind the logic, just trying to explain to you why you can’t, the video hits you differently than it dose me, I have the experience, same video, different experience.

But just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t mean that it’s bad, it just means that you don’t understand it so it appears bad in your eyes.

But I well give you that you do have a point; he is doing the same thing that pretty much everyone here is doing also. He is generalizing, instead of saying that this guy is bad and that woman is bad he just pins it on the entire Iraqi people. Mostly because it’s hard to tell the good guys from the bad, so it’s easier just to watch everyone that’s not on your side. And you can’t get away from generalizing with any ease, its how the brain has learned to process information, you generalize to make it easier on the brain. If you don’t want to generalize it takes a lot of work to do because you go against your own human nature.

And most people don’t see killing as just a 9 to 5, they have to have some type of motivation in order to feel what they are doing is right and that they are killing for a good reason. A lot of people just can’t kill someone because it’s their job and it’s what they do.

My question is could anyone here stand in front of someone they didn’t know and pull the trigger because someone with the proper authority tells them to, or would it be easier to pull the trigger if you knew this guy was a serial child molester?

Just for reference,
Soldier = Army
Marine = Marines
Marines are not soldiers, they are Marines.

Charlie Manson was not ordered by our government to go kill people over in a foreign country, our military is. Charlie Manson took those actions on his own orders.

Hopefully this helps.

Sorry, I can’t get behind the logic that the death of children, or the deaths of civilians as a whole, are funny. Dad and the brother were armed and not really civilians, you’ll note. But, is grabbing a unarmed, young girl and using her has a bullet shield, then “laughing manically” as she dies really all that side-splitting? It’s that bit that really sours the song for me, turns it from dark humor to something simply tasteless. It also points out why we’re having trouble in Iraq in the first place; our soldiers are arguably over there to protect the Iraqi civilians so that they can build and run their own country.

It seems the apologists here are forgetting that the modern soldier is not just a killing machine. If killing were all it took, then we have a lot of really great soldiers waiting in our prisons. I heard ol’ Charlie Manson knows how to kill people pretty good. I bet he could even sing an amusing song about killing little girls that Amber could post up on here and we could all get a good chuckle out of.

But that’s not quite so funny, is it? Not so easy to defend Manson by saying, “you honestly can’t expect [him] to respect and honor people 24/7….” You can’t just say blame “what goes on out here in the real world and the harsh realities of how people try to deal with difficult situations” to explain those murders and attitudes away. There’s a damn good reason why there’s a world of difference between a psychotic killer and a good soldier in both deed and thought.

So, please, tell me how I don’t really know what it’s like to be up on stage with a guitar, and how that stressful experience really does make it funny to sing about killing children. Explain to me how I have no right to speak up because I knew I wouldn’t fit into the military and I decided not to pursue that career. Accuse me of not being a patriot because I can’t find the ability to laugh manically at the thought of a little girl being shot between the eyes.

sadf.

Incidentally, my ear says it’s “AK”, as in AK-47, the automatic rifle, not “A game”.

But to anyone holding up your noses, I’d like to see how you fair under the pressure. We always had a few guys talking about how this was this way and that was that way, but it all goes away when your butt is on the line. And than that dribble doesn’t seem to hold the same substance that it once did for you. And some of the guys, not all, but some that would talk big about all the friendly lets hold hands crap would snap under the pressure and than you would have to sit there for the next few hours trying to help them pull there shit together. Not saying that there ideal’s lead them to this place, just saying it’s nice to talk big when you don’t have to put your butt on the line for it.

The point I’m tryng to make is this type of humor in private is an acceptable way in our society to deal with tough situations. It is not acceptable to take those private displays and make them public and that is the lesson these soldiers need to be taught.

Glad you threw a lob on the first one, I’m a little out of shape. Neil Young, Cinnamon Girl.

Dave (someone stole my cool internet name)

That said, there’s nothing funny about the song, in my opinion. Not because of the supposed outrage of it, I don’t really care about that at all. They can say what they like as far as I’m concerned, it’ll only come back to bite them in the ass anyway.

But the song itself, purely on its own merits, just isn’t funny. I want my two minutes back.

Some of these comments sound like they were made by a hollywood celebrity with no clue about what goes on out here in the real world and the harsh realities of how people try to deal with difficult situations. I can’t begin to imagine (and honestly neither can those posting here) what those soldiers deal with each day.

Next time that soldier finds himself being fired upon by civilians and instead of acting he pauses to reflect. He’s no longer sure if he’s doing what’s right, because of public reaction to his song. He ends up too slow on the trigger and sent home in a body bag. Those offended by this song and crying out against him, should get the pleasure of explaining the situation to his mom.

ps. Amber you can still keep you L-card. You’re doing well, but you still need to spend some more time in detox.