Comments on: That’s Not Judgement Armor. THIS is Judgement Armor http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/ true confessions, incoherent rants, tyops Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:14:34 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Syntax Heir http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1034 Syntax Heir Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:04:34 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1034 <blockquote>they go over the line and make lewd remarks about the ... things that they themselves would do in the pj’s if they came in adult sizes.</blockquote> Oh do tell.<i>Old enough to know better and still too young to care</i>

they go over the line and make lewd remarks about the … things that they themselves would do in the pj’s if they came in adult sizes.

Oh do tell.Old enough to know better and still too young to care

]]> By: Psychochild http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1033 Psychochild Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:49:30 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1033 <i>Why does Psychochild get a pass on using his “power of the media” to stop corrupting our children?</i> 1) Because I have a spam filter that catches some of those types of posts. 2) Because I don't think people expect much child-friendly stuff from someone named "Psychochild". You should have picked a scarier pseudonym. Have fun. ;) Why does Psychochild get a pass on using his “power of the media” to stop corrupting our children?

1) Because I have a spam filter that catches some of those types of posts.
2) Because I don’t think people expect much child-friendly stuff from someone named “Psychochild”. You should have picked a scarier pseudonym.

Have fun. ;)

]]> By: Critical Hits &#187; Inquisition of the Week: Religion? http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1032 Critical Hits &#187; Inquisition of the Week: Religion? Mon, 11 Sep 2006 17:06:00 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1032 [...] The reason this question is relevant is because almost everyone is afraid of a pushy religion.  Throughout history a lot of bad things have come from a religion being forceful, and this has caused everyone to be understandably hesitant towards anything bearing the mark of religion.  These reactions have caused many religious people to become very defensive, even to the point of posting on people&#8217;s blogs in defense of their exploitative pajamas.  This has developed as a begrudging tension between religion and popular culture. [...] [...] The reason this question is relevant is because almost everyone is afraid of a pushy religion.  Throughout history a lot of bad things have come from a religion being forceful, and this has caused everyone to be understandably hesitant towards anything bearing the mark of religion.  These reactions have caused many religious people to become very defensive, even to the point of posting on people&#8217;s blogs in defense of their exploitative pajamas.  This has developed as a begrudging tension between religion and popular culture. [...]

]]> By: Bartoneus http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1031 Bartoneus Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:36:55 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1031 <blockquote>but it would be good to get all of the facts before rash statements. </blockquote> Stacy24: It honestly doesn't matter if I know these people, they are selling pieces of fabric to parents/children that will keep them safe and peaceful during the night. The site they are selling them on is a .com site, they're making money from this. It's perfectly fine for you to (albeit in an overly long-winded way) defend your friend's financial endeavors, but calling my statements rash is not appreciated when they are 100% accurate: these people are making money off of children's religious insecurities. <blockquote>That is not for us to judge, they have to answer to God for their actions. </blockquote> You've already judged your friend's actions as righteous, and chosen to defend them, so don't tell me not to do the opposite.

but it would be good to get all of the facts before rash statements.

Stacy24: It honestly doesn’t matter if I know these people, they are selling pieces of fabric to parents/children that will keep them safe and peaceful during the night. The site they are selling them on is a .com site, they’re making money from this. It’s perfectly fine for you to (albeit in an overly long-winded way) defend your friend’s financial endeavors, but calling my statements rash is not appreciated when they are 100% accurate: these people are making money off of children’s religious insecurities.

That is not for us to judge, they have to answer to God for their actions.

You’ve already judged your friend’s actions as righteous, and chosen to defend them, so don’t tell me not to do the opposite.

]]> By: moxcamel http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1030 moxcamel Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:52:04 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1030 <blockquote>I do not think that they look any more silly than wearing a huge sponge with legs on a nightgown.</blockquote> Taste is very subjective, but let me know when Armor of God sells as big as Sponge Bob, and I'll concede the point. <blockquote>it would be very easy to become discouraged and say ugly things back to these people, especialy when the comments are more than just jokes about how corny the pj’s look and they go over the line and make lewd remarks about the children </blockquote> I can't speak for Amber, but from what I know of her and her blog, you need to realize that *everything* she says is said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. You may not like her style of humor but her jokes about the children are just that. I'm sure (again I can't speak for her) she means no ill will towards little Christian children who model Armor of God pajamas. <blockquote>And fortunatley when he resurrected wearing a robe and not pj’s and 40 days later </blockquote> lol <blockquote>The pajamas were not made to be crusader style outfits so that the children would look like they are ready to pillage and destroy the next village</blockquote> Okay, look. The single biggest reason that your product is generating such hillarity is because they look **EXACTLY** like a pair of pajamas that was made to look like the armor of a crusader. So are you trying to tell me that this was a wild coincidence? That this Armor of God just happens to accidentally look like crusader armor? No, I don't think you're trying to say that at all. Because there's no question that the product was modelled to look like crusader armor. As an ex-Christian myself, I know that modern Christianity is rife with crusader imagery. There's even a lot of you who still think the crusades were a heckuva good idea. So, given that the jammies were made to look like crusader armor, what other conclusions would you have us draw? That yes, the armor looks like something you'd go and butcher saracens in, but no that's not what we're trying to imply? At least a sponge's worst crime was to overcook a crabby patty. <blockquote>Just like it is wrong to dress a kid in a cowboy outfit and say “OH look he is ready to go destroy an Indian village”</blockquote> It would be wrong to dress a kid in a cowboy outfit and tell them to slaughter indians. It would also be wrong to dress a child in a crusader outfit and tell them to slaughter saracens. Neither case is generally true, so your analogy doesn't really apply. <blockquote>Just because some cowboys killed Indians doen’t mean that they all did.</blockquote> Yeah, well *all* crusaders (by definition) killed Muslims. You're asking us to have an open mind, so I'm asking you to open your mind to that concept. What your company is doing is creating a physical tool for children to connect to their spiritual struggle. That's fine and dandy. But the folly of this product is that you are using symbols of hate, conquest, greed, and aggression to make this connection. I'm not saying that's what you are teaching your kids, but it sure seems like an implied endorsement. BTW, I know you're not trying to teach your kids to hate/pillage, but giving them the imagery of a hater/pillager isn't exactly the best start.

I do not think that they look any more silly than wearing a huge sponge with legs on a nightgown.

Taste is very subjective, but let me know when Armor of God sells as big as Sponge Bob, and I’ll concede the point.

it would be very easy to become discouraged and say ugly things back to these people, especialy when the comments are more than just jokes about how corny the pj’s look and they go over the line and make lewd remarks about the children

I can’t speak for Amber, but from what I know of her and her blog, you need to realize that *everything* she says is said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. You may not like her style of humor but her jokes about the children are just that. I’m sure (again I can’t speak for her) she means no ill will towards little Christian children who model Armor of God pajamas.

And fortunatley when he resurrected wearing a robe and not pj’s and 40 days later

lol

The pajamas were not made to be crusader style outfits so that the children would look like they are ready to pillage and destroy the next village

Okay, look. The single biggest reason that your product is generating such hillarity is because they look **EXACTLY** like a pair of pajamas that was made to look like the armor of a crusader. So are you trying to tell me that this was a wild coincidence? That this Armor of God just happens to accidentally look like crusader armor?

No, I don’t think you’re trying to say that at all. Because there’s no question that the product was modelled to look like crusader armor. As an ex-Christian myself, I know that modern Christianity is rife with crusader imagery. There’s even a lot of you who still think the crusades were a heckuva good idea.

So, given that the jammies were made to look like crusader armor, what other conclusions would you have us draw? That yes, the armor looks like something you’d go and butcher saracens in, but no that’s not what we’re trying to imply? At least a sponge’s worst crime was to overcook a crabby patty.

Just like it is wrong to dress a kid in a cowboy outfit and say “OH look he is ready to go destroy an Indian village”

It would be wrong to dress a kid in a cowboy outfit and tell them to slaughter indians. It would also be wrong to dress a child in a crusader outfit and tell them to slaughter saracens. Neither case is generally true, so your analogy doesn’t really apply.

Just because some cowboys killed Indians doen’t mean that they all did.

Yeah, well *all* crusaders (by definition) killed Muslims. You’re asking us to have an open mind, so I’m asking you to open your mind to that concept.

What your company is doing is creating a physical tool for children to connect to their spiritual struggle. That’s fine and dandy. But the folly of this product is that you are using symbols of hate, conquest, greed, and aggression to make this connection. I’m not saying that’s what you are teaching your kids, but it sure seems like an implied endorsement.

BTW, I know you’re not trying to teach your kids to hate/pillage, but giving them the imagery of a hater/pillager isn’t exactly the best start.

]]> By: Tim http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1029 Tim Fri, 01 Sep 2006 14:19:41 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1029 Stacy: I guess you aren't a human because you don't easily associate these certain things, huh? :P I know you are saying that the spiritual war is an individual war between the person and their spirit. But, resurrecting the garb of crusaders and dredging up the bad feelings of the attacks of the western world on the middle east? These guys should have created Dominican robes for the kids and covered all their bases. Stacy: I guess you aren’t a human because you don’t easily associate these certain things, huh? :P
I know you are saying that the spiritual war is an individual war between the person and their spirit. But, resurrecting the garb of crusaders and dredging up the bad feelings of the attacks of the western world on the middle east? These guys should have created Dominican robes for the kids and covered all their bases.

]]> By: Stacy24 http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1028 Stacy24 Fri, 01 Sep 2006 12:56:38 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1028 Dave The picture does not do the pajamas justice. They are very well made and of excellent quality, but that is not the issue. I do not think that they look any more silly than wearing a huge sponge with legs on a nightgown. In todays society you can take an object that is used to clean the shower, kitchen sink and wash cars and make a billion dollar business out of it and everyone buys into it and doesn't think twice. I think the real issue is not how the pjs look but for what they stand for. Because of the Christian conotations and the spread of the Word of God it has really hit a nerve with satan and he using all of the power he can get to fight back. As for the oxymoron of "soldier of Christ" there are several references in Scripture to being a "soldier" of and for Christ --Phillipians 2:25 Paul is writing to the Phillipians and he refers to Epaphroditus as his companion in labor and fellow soldier. 2Timothy 2:4 Take your share of the hardships and suffering which you are called to endure as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. You are most correct in saying that Jesus was peaceful and preached love, compassion, tolerence and forgiveness. And fortunatley when he resurrected wearing a robe and not pj's and 40 days later ascended to Heaven he left the Holy Spirit here for us so that we too may have those spiritual gifts. Because in the last couple of weeks with the deluge of negative e-mail, and blogs that the Armor of God Pj's has received it would be very easy to become discouraged and say ugly things back to these people, especialy when the comments are more than just jokes about how corny the pj's look and they go over the line and make lewd remarks about the children and things that they themselves would do in the pj's if they came in adult sizes. It would be very easy to lash out at them and return comments but that is not what the Armor of God Pj company is about. Through all of the negativity they have remained steadfast in their faith in God and put it in His hands. The pajamas were not made to be crusader style outfits so that the children would look like they are ready to pillage and destroy the next village Just like it is wrong to dress a kid in a cowboy outfit and say "OH look he is ready to go destroy an Indian village" Just because some cowboys killed Indians doen't mean that they all did. Just because a person looks or dresses a certain way doesn't mean that they will automatically behave a certain way, people behave (love and hate) based on the feelings, emotions, and decisions that comes from the person inside, from the things that we have been taught by our parents, and our experiences in life. Our actions are a matter of choice. Humans so easily associate certain things to certain activities, the pajamas are made to look the way they do and explained in the book that comes with them so that the children will understand how to apply Spiritual armor to help them in dealing with spiritual war, not so that they can destroy other physical human beings. Believers in Christ teach their children the things that Jesus taught the disciples, to love God with all of our hearts and to love our neighbor. It is our own choice to decide to follow Jesus or not. Dave
The picture does not do the pajamas justice. They are very well made and of excellent quality, but that is not the issue. I do not think that they look any more silly than wearing a huge sponge with legs on a nightgown. In todays society you can take an object that is used to clean the shower, kitchen sink and wash cars and make a billion dollar business out of it and everyone buys into it and doesn’t think twice. I think the real issue is not how the pjs look but for what they stand for. Because of the Christian conotations and the spread of the Word of God it has really hit a nerve with satan and he using all of the power he can get to fight back.
As for the oxymoron of “soldier of Christ” there are several references in Scripture to being a “soldier” of and for Christ –Phillipians 2:25 Paul is writing to the Phillipians and he refers to Epaphroditus as his companion in labor and fellow soldier. 2Timothy 2:4 Take your share of the hardships and suffering which you are called to endure as a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
You are most correct in saying that Jesus was peaceful and preached love, compassion, tolerence and forgiveness. And fortunatley when he resurrected wearing a robe and not pj’s and 40 days later ascended to Heaven he left the Holy Spirit here for us so that we too may have those spiritual gifts. Because in the last couple of weeks with the deluge of negative e-mail, and blogs that the Armor of God Pj’s has received it would be very easy to become discouraged and say ugly things back to these people, especialy when the comments are more than just jokes about how corny the pj’s look and they go over the line and make lewd remarks about the children and things that they themselves would do in the pj’s if they came in adult sizes. It would be very easy to lash out at them and return comments but that is not what the Armor of God Pj company is about. Through all of the negativity they have remained steadfast in their faith in God and put it in His hands.
The pajamas were not made to be crusader style outfits so that the children would look like they are ready to pillage and destroy the next village
Just like it is wrong to dress a kid in a cowboy outfit and say “OH look he is ready to go destroy an Indian village” Just because some cowboys killed Indians doen’t mean that they all did. Just because a person looks or dresses a certain way doesn’t mean that they will automatically behave a certain way, people behave (love and hate) based on the feelings, emotions, and decisions that comes from the person inside, from the things that we have been taught by our parents, and our experiences in life. Our actions are a matter of choice.
Humans so easily associate certain things to certain activities, the pajamas are made to look the way they do and explained in the book that comes with them so that the children will understand how to apply Spiritual armor to help them in dealing with spiritual war, not so that they can destroy other physical human beings. Believers in Christ teach their children the things that Jesus taught the disciples, to love God with all of our hearts and to love our neighbor. It is our own choice to decide to follow Jesus or not.

]]> By: Dave http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1027 Dave Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:57:02 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1027 Stacy24, The reason people are making fun of these pjs, other than the fact that they're downright silly looking no matter what they're supposed to be is the "soldier of Christ" is a complete oxymoron. Jesus was a peaceful man. He preached love, compassion, tolerance, and forgiveness. This crusader soldier image is so wildly out of sync with who Christ really was that it goes beyond silly. Yes I understand that you are saying it is imagery to help children understand Ephesians but it is wildly inaccurate imagery. WWBJD? He wouldn't be caught resurrected in those pjs that's for sure. Dave (someone stole my cool internet name) Stacy24, The reason people are making fun of these pjs, other than the fact that they’re downright silly looking no matter what they’re supposed to be is the “soldier of Christ” is a complete oxymoron. Jesus was a peaceful man. He preached love, compassion, tolerance, and forgiveness. This crusader soldier image is so wildly out of sync with who Christ really was that it goes beyond silly. Yes I understand that you are saying it is imagery to help children understand Ephesians but it is wildly inaccurate imagery.

WWBJD? He wouldn’t be caught resurrected in those pjs that’s for sure.

Dave (someone stole my cool internet name)

]]> By: Stacy24 http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1026 Stacy24 Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:10:08 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1026 To Amber, you among thousands of others have gotten a laugh from these pajamas. They were not created as a joke or a spoof, the person who designed the pj's was creating for parents and children a tangible way of explaing the scripture of Ephesians. Each piece of armor is explained and how it applies to our spiritual lives. To Dave: The reason that there are war metaphors in Christianity is that everyones life is a struggle, whether we are consious of it or not. For the unbeliever (those who do not know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour) the struggle is within. for Christians the struggle is to maintain our relationship with our Saviour and not let it become overshadowed by the evils of the world and our own selfishness. As a parent we all want the best for our children, physically, mentally and spiritually. And if we can provide for them a tool to use to understand that God provides for us ways of protecting ourselves spiritually then we should be thankful. Will the actual cloth of the pj's protect them form wiles of the Devil? NO! But studying the word of God and praying will, a person does not need "corny"pajamas to be protected from evil spirits or to know that there is Salvation through Jesus, the pj's are just a physical way of explaining what can be done spiritually. To Syntax: Romper Room's magic mirrow? How old are you anyway? I thought blogs were for young people? To Bug Hunter: True casting pearls before swine is a fitting verse for all of the blogs that have been discussing the pajamas because it is obvious that most of the people that are participating are unbeilevers, but how will they hear the truth if we (Christians) remain silent? To Bartoneus: Has there been people to take Christian symbols and use them to make a profit? I am sure. Is the Armor of God PJ's doing that? Do you personally know those people? I think not. But I do and I know for a fact that the PJ's were not designed for anyone to make a profit. As for Bible based action figures, yes they do exist, along with games and t-shirts and a whole lot of other items that Christians purchase to use in their daily lives. Does this make them bad people for buying something that is God related? and does it make the person selling it a bad person? That is not for us to judge, they have to answer to God for their actions. We live in a country where we are free to choose, if you choose to buy the pajamas that is good, if you choose not to buy the pajamas that is fine, and everyone has the right to voice their opinion as well, but it would be good to get all of the facts before rash statements. To Amber, you among thousands of others have gotten a laugh from these pajamas. They were not created as a joke or a spoof, the person who designed the pj’s was creating for parents and children a tangible way of explaing the scripture of Ephesians. Each piece of armor is explained and how it applies to our spiritual lives.
To Dave: The reason that there are war metaphors in Christianity is that everyones life is a struggle, whether we are consious of it or not. For the unbeliever (those who do not know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour) the struggle is within. for Christians the struggle is to maintain our relationship with our Saviour and not let it become overshadowed by the evils of the world and our own selfishness.
As a parent we all want the best for our children, physically, mentally and spiritually. And if we can provide for them a tool to use to understand that God provides for us ways of protecting ourselves spiritually then we should be thankful. Will the actual cloth of the pj’s protect them form wiles of the Devil? NO! But studying the word of God and praying will, a person does not need “corny”pajamas to be protected from evil spirits or to know that there is Salvation through Jesus, the pj’s are just a physical way of explaining what can be done spiritually.
To Syntax: Romper Room’s magic mirrow? How old are you anyway? I thought blogs were for young people?
To Bug Hunter: True casting pearls before swine is a fitting verse for all of the blogs that have been discussing the pajamas because it is obvious that most of the people that are participating are unbeilevers, but how will they hear the truth if we (Christians) remain silent?
To Bartoneus: Has there been people to take Christian symbols and use them to make a profit? I am sure. Is the Armor of God PJ’s doing that? Do you personally know those people? I think not. But I do and I know for a fact that the PJ’s were not designed for anyone to make a profit. As for Bible based action figures, yes they do exist, along with games and t-shirts and a whole lot of other items that Christians purchase to use in their daily lives. Does this make them bad people for buying something that is God related? and does it make the person selling it a bad person? That is not for us to judge, they have to answer to God for their actions. We live in a country where we are free to choose, if you choose to buy the pajamas that is good, if you choose not to buy the pajamas that is fine, and everyone has the right to voice their opinion as well, but it would be good to get all of the facts before rash statements.

]]> By: Tim http://ambernight.org/2006/08/28/thats-not-judgement-armor-this-is-judgement-armor/#comment-1025 Tim Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:19:05 +0000 http://dev.ambernight.org/archives/2006/08/28/217#comment-1025 I am soo totally offended, as a lifelong resident of the Detroit area. I fully expect an apology from Amber. There are no streetwalkers turning tricks in this city that look anything like this girl in 5 years. I would think you would need to add 40 years to this girl before she has sunk this low. I am soo totally offended, as a lifelong resident of the Detroit area. I fully expect an apology from Amber. There are no streetwalkers turning tricks in this city that look anything like this girl in 5 years.

I would think you would need to add 40 years to this girl before she has sunk this low.

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